{"id":1577,"date":"2021-03-03T19:05:10","date_gmt":"2021-03-03T19:05:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rosen-testing.senate.gov\/2021\/03\/03\/rosen-transcript-following-homeland-security-hearing-on-january-6-capitol-attack\/"},"modified":"2022-07-13T20:23:22","modified_gmt":"2022-07-13T20:23:22","slug":"rosen-transcript-following-homeland-security-hearing-on-january-6-capitol-attack","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rosen.senate.gov\/es\/2021\/03\/03\/rosen-transcript-following-homeland-security-hearing-on-january-6-capitol-attack\/","title":{"rendered":"Rosen Transcript Following Homeland Security Hearing on January 6 Capitol Attack"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\">WASHINGTON, D.C.<\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\">&nbsp;\u2013&nbsp;Today, during a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC), U.S. Senator Jacky Rosen (D-NV) questioned Melissa Smislova, Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Under Secretary within the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Jill Sanborn, Assistant Director of Counterterrorism Division for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) about DHS\u2019s intelligence gathering in the lead up to the January 6<sup>th<\/sup> insurrection at the United States Capitol, as well as the FBI\u2019s intelligence sharing and communication with the Metropolitan Police Department of D.C. and U.S. Capitol Police in the lead up to the attack. A transcript of the Senator\u2019s full exchange can be found below, and a video&nbsp;of the Senator\u2019s full exchange can be found&nbsp;<b><u><a href=\"https:\/\/lfts.senate.gov\/seos\/1000\/mpd\/ui190320210cedb2ae50c15788533434e2d5ea4caf\"><span style=\"color:#0563c1\">aqu\u00ed<\/span><\/a><\/u>.<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">&nbsp;In October 2020, DHS warned that, and I quote, \u201cracially and ethnically motivated violent extremists\u2014specifically white supremacist extremists\u2014will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland\u201d and that, quote again, \u201cviolent actors might target events related to\u2026the post-election period.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">According to a former DHS Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, or I&amp;A, was aware of the potential for violence on January 6, and I quote again, \u201cbut for reasons of fear didn\u2019t want to formalize reports.\u201d But, in fact, the day before the attacks, I&amp;A sent a national summary to law enforcement partners stating there was \u201cNothing significant to report.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">If DHS assessed white supremacists to be the most lethal threat to Americans, and if I&amp;A was aware of domestic violent extremists mobilizing to cause violence on January 6, then why didn\u2019t the Department issue a formal intelligence warning that violence could occur? And I ask this of Ms. Smislova.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">SMISLOVA:&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Yes, yes, ma\u2019am. First, we have heard of that report that we supposedly sent out that said: \u201c<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\">N<span style=\"color:#0e101a\">othing significant to report.\u201d We cannot locate that. So, I have no idea where that notion came from. We cannot locate that.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">&nbsp;Can you follow up with us on that? See if you can find it?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">SMISLOVA:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">&nbsp;We\u2019ve looked ma\u2019am for a while. So, we don\u2019t have a copy of that report. This wouldn\u2019t be an official report that I&amp;A sent out. It is possible, ma\u2019am, that what it came from was maybe a phone call or something else where we said we had nothing additional to support.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">We did view the work we had done prior to January 6th as being sufficiently specific in warning of the possible threats. Some of the reports we did distribute you just quoted from yourself. So, it was our belief that those warnings were enough. Obviously, they were not.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">We are working very hard to do two things. One, get better specificity and insight into this particular threat, and then secondly, understand better how our customers receive our products, read our products, who gets our products.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">It is unclear to us why they were not received, and we were not better prepared for a possible attack.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN:&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Thank you, I want to follow up on that. Did I&amp;A share any intelligence products with National Fusion Centers relaying information about possible violence on January 6th, and is Capitol Police part of the DC-area fusion center?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">SMISLOVA:&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Yes, we talked specifically to the Capitol Police in early December and made sure they were in receipt of all our products and that they received again the one we put out just a week before the attack that we co-authored with FBI National Counter-Terrorism Center.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">We know that all of our products do go to the National Network of Fusion Centers, and we, in fact, participated in a phone call that was sponsored by the national network of fusion centers the day before on January 5th, where we also reiterated our concerns that we were in a heightened threat environment, that this particular adversary could mobilize quickly, most likely in small cells, lone offenders, that they would most likely come armed, and that they were interested in attacking specifically government buildings and large gatherings.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN:&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Well, I appreciate that, but it seems like we weren\u2019t exactly ready.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">So, moving forward, I know that you alluded that you\u2019re going to try and figure out where your product goes, but how are you going to specifically elevate I&amp;A\u2019s assessment that white supremacists are the homeland\u2019s most lethal threat, so that quality, detailed, and informed intelligence reaches actually reaches our communities \u2013 including local law enforcement \u2013 ahead of possible attacks so that we can prevent any loss of life and certainly other kinds of damage?<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">SMISLOVA:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">&nbsp;Yes ma\u2019am, and the Department [of Homeland Security] is committed to doing that. Our <\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\">S<span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ecretary is very committed to coming up with a whole-of-DHS approach to better combat domestic terrorism. We are working across the <\/span>D<span style=\"color:#0e101a\">epartment to understand how to better articulate the threat and deliver the threat and how to mitigate it with our state and local partners.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">: Thank you. I want to move on because the day before the insurrection, the FBI issued an internal warning that extremists planned to take part in violence on January 6th.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Last week, I asked Metro PD about the intelligence failures leading up to the attacks. Acting Chief of Police Contee told me that the FBI emailed MPD an alert bulletin warning about potential violence at 7 p.m. the night before the attack.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Mr. Contee told me, again, I\u2019m going to quote here, \u201cI would certainly think that something as violent as an insurrection at the Capitol would warrant a phone call or something.\u201d&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">But yesterday, FBI Director Wray shared that this information had been provided to local law enforcement multiple times and in multiple forms.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">So, Ms. Sanborn [FBI], it sounds like either Mr. Contee or Director Wray was mistaken.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">So, can you corroborate Director Wray\u2019s statement? And if indeed the warning was only sent in writing, why didn\u2019t the FBI go a little bit further. Why did the FBI not alert local law enforcement about the possible violent insurrection in a manner more consistent with the gravity of the threat on our capitol?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">SANBORN:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">&nbsp;Yes ma\u2019am, I appreciate the question. The information we received just to characterize what it was, was information off the internet, un-attributable to a specific person.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">That being said, the content and the suggestion of what may or may not happen was concerning enough that, based on our prioritizing \u2013 this is a collection priority for our 56 field offices \u2013 they quickly wrote that up and within the hour had that information to the Washington field office. They wrote it up in a document specifically for dissemination to state and local partners, but really they tried to belt and suspender that together.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">They wanted to make sure that we just didn\u2019t rely on the dissemination of a product, that we also followed up with an email, so it went out in an email to all Task Force officers on the Washington JTTF Task Force, and there\u2019s numerous of those from the national capital region that received that email.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Still, on top of that, they didn\u2019t want to rely on just the email and the written document. In one of the command post briefings that they were doing back then every couple of hours, they specifically stood up and talked about this to try to have a common operating picture of what this information was.&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">And then still, to go a step further, and not rely on just that, and make sure we broaden the visibility not just to the national capital region, but that we open that aperture to the whole country for our state and local partners, we posted that situation information report on what we call the leap portal, which is available to all state and local partners, and while that is significant is it gives them awareness, but it also gives them the opportunity to maybe even potentially add collection to what our piece that we got from the social media posting online.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">ROSEN:&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\"><span style=\"color:#0e101a\">Thank you, I know my time is expired, so I\u2019ll take my question offline, but you\u2019re encountering so many online threatening posts we need to maybe change the definition of specific threats and raise them up.<b>&nbsp;<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size:11pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif\">###<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>WASHINGTON, D.C.&nbsp;\u2013&nbsp;Today, during a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC), U.S. Senator Jacky Rosen (D-NV) questioned Melissa Smislova, Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Under Secretary within the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Jill Sanborn, Assistant Director of Counterterrorism Division [&hellip;]<\/p>","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[27],"class_list":["post-1577","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-press_release","tag-national-security-armed-services"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v24.9 - 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